3rd Group: Why It Is Your Right To Be Selfish

The Article: “Why It Is Your Right To Be Selfish”

The Main Quote: The word “selfish” creates conflicting emotions for women.”

The First Passage:

The word “selfish” creates conflicting emotions for women.  On one side, it feels good to just think of yourself and not have to always be “on” for other people.  Then there is the other side, the one that society has laid down regarding a women’s role – the side that says being selfish is not what we would ever want others to think about us.  It’s just not feminine.

The Concept: Examining the semantics of the word “selfish”, our understanding of it and using that understanding to change the word’s meaning so the connotation is neither positive nor negative.

A Subtopic Quote:

“Why are we so fearful of being thought of as selfish?”

The Second Passage:

Why are we so fearful of being thought of as selfish? Mainly because we have a distorted interpretation of what selfish looks like.  It’s an all-or-nothing syndrome.  We are either selfish or caring.  It’s time we stop being fearful of the word and instead see the possibilities where being selfish is the right solution to a problem.

Being honest about our needs and wants is important.  It’s in honesty that we add the most value to the people around us.  Resisting being selfish is dishonest and hinders having a true intimate relationship with yourself and others.

This week I did all the reading. The preceding is basically what the group went through. I read the first passage and asked everyone in turn what “selfishness” meant to them. I received some interesting answers.

The first woman I asked about selfishness told me about a Dr. Phil episode where he claimed to be very selfish. She went on to say that his wife also claimed the same thing. We talked about the difference between healthy selfishness and the kind of selfishness that doesn’t foster fairness and respect between people. Another woman interjected that the semantics of the word made it difficult for people to feel comfortable with it. She said that instead of selfishness it would be a big help to change the interpretation of the word.

Another woman brought up an analogy about pie. To simplify it she said: I see a pie. I want the whole pie. I tell myself I can have only a piece of the pie. It seemed to me that the point of the analogy was that you are looking to get as much as you can get but are limited by what realistically the situation allows. We are all selfish but if healthy we limit that selfishness. A term was used: Rational Selfishness. (It is from a book called Looking Out for #1 by Robert Ringer https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/551211.Looking_Out_for_1 )

The notion of relationships with a two way exchange was brought up when discussing being forthright about our needs with other people. “If we are honest with others they will be honest with us. If we are respectful of others they too will be respectful of us.”  Talking about these healthy elements within relationships to describe how our selfishness ( or personal care taking,) to preserve our own mental health is integral for feeling well became a main topic. I interjected that it would be nice if people were cooperative in this way but that I was sure everyone in this group knew someone who crossed our boundaries and had no problem insisting on their own needs. There was much rousing explanations and stories of people we could think of: family members, friends, acquaintances, lovers, different types of people we met in life or had no choice in dealing with.

The book  The Center Cannot Hold: My Journey Through Madness by Elyn R. Saks https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1098486.The_Center_Cannot_Hold was brought up when we discussed how some people we knew seemed to be naturally grounded or centered. I can relate to this as my own Mother who really had no interest in learning about psychiatric issues beyond understanding my own plight in the limited way that she felt she needed to deal with me, was very grounded and seemed to never question herself or the world. She never suffered from depression beyond the situational sadness that she had when her parents or pet died.

I asked one of the women I hadn’t gotten to yet if she had experience with dealing with a selfish person or if she felt the need to be selfish in her life. She was not very involved with the group up until that point. She became lively as she spoke of a person she was currently social with who she felt she was enabling through giving cigarettes and meals. She said that in the past she’d gotten away from unfair people. We talked of boundaries: “What you’re responsible for and what others are responsible for.” And how sometimes other people’s issues become much more important than our own.

Someone introduced another concept of the Universal Law Theme. This concept I was told embodies the idea that you need to hold your own in this world. Many personal stories were shared like abortion and and hospital as well as marriage and relationship situations. It was a passionate group and people were very involved.

A note: I try to take as many notes as I can but in a group where sharing is almost free form at times I find it challenging to write down all the concepts that are brought up. This is another good reason to follow each group up with a blog entry.
As part of the group sometimes we might think about the concepts and realize that we have more to say about our own experiences and thoughts. If you care to, and even if you’re not part of the physical group leave an answer to the following:

Have you found that you’ve encountered selfish people in your life? In what ways (negative, positive) did they exhibit these behaviors? Do you mindfully consider your actions when it comes to making sure your needs are met? What do you do when someone who seems limited in empathy pushes you to abandon your own choices to their own benefit? Keep in mind that being selfish can mean different things to different people.


Looking For Better Terms To Search For Hate Topic…

I am having a problem finding satisfactory information on this subject one of the group members asked me about. Does anyone know of any good books or blogs or websites where I might find information on how to stop yourself from labeling other people? So far I found a log entry on “http://jayclarkbooks.com/how-to-stop-hating-people-in-15-minutes/” which is a funny take on meditation. It’s not serious but it is one way of attempting to deal with the anger. This entry How to stop hating people is serious but more about searching for why you would hate someone in order to not hate the person you are currently hating. Exhausting. I’m not sure if this is a multi-solution problem or one of those issues where you need to do some serious soul searching.

In this post on ehow: How to stop discrimination looks to be more about making a bigger imprint on society than a personal attempt to recognize it within oneself.

Well I got lost looking for a cyberpunk novel, sorry. I’ll continue this later. If you have any suggestions write them in the comments section.

Part 2: Two Quotes, Two Stories, Discussing Our Thoughts and Wrapping It Up…

The Article: “Leo Buscaglia on Education, Industrialized Conformity, and How Stereotypes and Labels Limit Love”

The Main Quote: “Labels are distancing phenomena. They push us away from each other.”

The First Story:

The animals got together in the forest one day and decided to start a school. There was a rabbit, a bird, a squirrel, a fish and an eel, and they formed a Board of Education. The rabbit insisted that running be in the curriculum. The bird insisted that flying be in the curriculum. The fish insisted that swimming be in the curriculum, and the squirrel insisted that perpendicular tree climbing be in the curriculum. They put all of these things together and wrote a Curriculum Guide. Then they insisted that all of the animals take all of the subjects. Although the rabbit was getting an A in running perpendicular tree climbing was a real problem for him; he kept falling over backwards. Pretty soon he got to be sort of brain damaged, and he couldn’t run any more. He found that instead of making an A in running, he was making a C and, of course, he always made an F in perpendicular tree climbing. The bird was really beautiful at flying, but when it came to burrowing in the ground, he couldn’t do so well. He kept breaking his beak and wings. Pretty soon he was making a C in flying as well as an F in burrowing, and he had a hellava time with perpendicular tree climbing. The moral of the story is that the animal who was valedictorian of the class was a mentally retarded eel who did everything in a halfway fashion. But the educators were all happy because everybody was taking all of the subjects, and it was called a broad-based education.

The Concept: Our Education begins the formation labeling and it leads to discrimination in our lives during systematic instruction and afterwards as we interact in society.

A Subtopic Quote:

“How many kids have not been educated just because someone pinned a label on them somewhere along the line? Stupid, dumb, emotionally disturbed. I have never known a stupid child. Never! Never! I’ve only known children and never two alike. Labels are distancing phenomena. They push us away from each other. Black man. What’s a black man? I’ve never known two alike. Does he love? Does he care? What about his kids? Has he cried? Is he lonely? Is he beautiful? Is he happy? Is he giving something to someone? These are the important things. Not the fact that he is a black man or Jew or Dago or Communist or Democrat or Republican.”

The Second Story:

I was born in Los Angeles, and my parents were Italian immigrants. A big family. Mama and Papa were obviously great lovers! They came from a tiny village at the base of the Italian Swiss Alps where everyone knew everyone. Everyone knew the names of the dogs, and the village priest came out and danced in the streets at the fiestas and got as drunk as everybody else. It was the most beautiful scene in the world and a pleasure to be raised by these people in this old way. But when I was taken, at five, to a public school, tested by some very official-looking person, the next thing I knew I was in a class for the mentally retarded! It didn’t matter that I was able to speak Italian and an Italian dialect. I also spoke some French and Spanish — but I didn’t speak English too well and so I was mentally retarded. I think the term now is “culturally disadvantaged.” I was put into the class for the mentally retarded, and I never had a more exciting educational experience in my life! Talk about a warm, pulsating, loving teacher. Her name was Miss Hunt, and I’m sure she was the only one in the school who would teach those “dumb” kids. She was a great bulbous woman. She liked me even if I smelled of garlic. I remember when she used to come and lean over me, how I used to cuddle! I did all kinds of learning for this woman because I really loved her. Then one day I made a tremendous mistake. I wrote a newspaper as if I were a Roman. I described how the gladiators would perform and so on. The next thing I knew I was being retested and was transferred to a regular classroom after which I was bored for the rest of my educational career.

I started out this group by quickly reviewing last weeks information on labels and elementary education. I read the main quote and asked someone to read The First Story.

I observed the fact that Buscaglia used “mentally retarded” to make a point in this story; it is a label itself. I asked if everyone in the group understood the concept of the story and gave my interpretation quickly. The same woman read The Subtopic Quote. And we quickly shared our views of what it meant to each of us. I also rendered the following clarifying paragraph: “Buscaglia’s most important point, however, is that such industrialized conformity transcends the education system and bleeds into our everyday lives, at all layers and levels of society — its product is a narrow definition of intelligence and ability, which results in a narrow field of belonging, which in turn casts everyone outside of it as a misfit.” to the group in my words then had the same woman read The Second Story which is a personal memory of Buscaglia.

The group was more interested in sharing their thoughts this week. I believe that this two part article encouraged people to think about the subject between the two group dates and was rewarded when one of the participants posed me with a relevant question. She was frustrated that this article posed the subject of the negative effects of labeling but didn’t seem to resolve it. She wanted to know if Buscaglia gave pointers on how to deal with the negative aspects of labeling within someone’s life. This is something I briefly researched between the two classes as she had brought up this point in the last gathering. I came up with little because my research terms were too broad and only served to give me results on how to use labels when printing. I’m not kidding. I’ll attempt to come up with alternative terms that may bring me to another potential group that could be an offshoot of this subject.

I also told her that this article is just part of his book titled Love: What Life Is All About 1972, Leo Buscaglia. I hadn’t read the book and had used this article which came from an online blog (which I was mistaken, read about Brain Pickings at: http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/about/) and that there was some follow-up material that might be helpful (which I will cut and paste in the next section.) 

“The rest of Buscaglia’s Love: What Life Is All About, an exquisite addition to these must-read books on the psychology of love, goes on to explore our ancient quest to define it, the notion that it’s a learned phenomenon, the interplay between love and strength, the responsibilities of love, and more. Complement it with Van Gogh on love, Stendhal on its seven stages, and the science of how “limbic revision” rewires the brain in love.”

The rest of the time was spent discussing labels and how it effects us as well as what it did to some of us personally. Because this is a group that meets within a Wellness and Recovery Center we talked about Mental Health and physical labels. To wrap up the class I summed up the concept that part of solving the problem would be to use less labels by moving towards people instead of away. Addressing the frustrated woman’s concerns I said that identifying that we use these labels might be a beginning to reducing the use of them. I added that judging people may have some negative results but judging wasn’t necessarily a bad thing to do. It helped protect us in many ways. She said that she knew she used them and tried to get beyond them by getting to know the person. I felt that she probably was the person who could solve her own question and do it well. I also added that discriminating and judging was a human thing to do and not unusual. None of us were born “perfect”.
I ended by saying we could only do what we could do and it was our choice to stop using labels. All in all this group was really lively and everyone participated. I thanked the woman with the frustration after class as she apologized to me for being portentous. I said I was happy that he brought challenging questions to the group, it helped to direct communication. Another woman who works at the center told her that her challenging helped the other group members become interested and join in.
As part of the group sometimes we might think about the concepts and realize that we have more to say about our own experiences and thoughts. If you care to, and even if you’re not part of the physical group leave an answer to the following:

Do you notice that you use labels in your life when you meet new people? How about people you’ve know for a long time, do you label them? How do you feel, if anything when you recognize that you are using labels for others in your life? Do you or have you tried to dispense with a label and give another person a chance to become closer? Keep in mind that just because you may dispense with a label doesn’t mean it magically makes the other person “good”. You’ve just humanized them to yourself.


Part 1: A Quote, A Story And A Round Of Each Person’s Thoughts…

The Article: “Leo Buscaglia on Education, Industrialized Conformity, and How Stereotypes and Labels Limit Love”

The Quote“Labels are distancing phenomena. They push us away from each other.”

The Story:

[The art teacher] comes racing in from another class and has time only to nod to the teacher, turn around and say, “Boys and girls, today we are going to draw a tree.” She goes to the blackboard, and she draws her tree which is a great big green ball with a little brown base. Remember those lollipop trees? I never saw a tree that looked like that in my life, but she puts it up there, and she says, “All right, boys and girls, draw.” Everybody gets busy and draws.

If you have any sense, even at that early age, you realize that what she really wanted was for you to draw her tree, because the closer you got to her tree, the better your grade. If you already realized this in grade one, then you handed in a little lollipop, and she said, “oh, that’s divine.” But here’s Junior who really knows a tree as this little woman has never seen a tree in her life. He’s climbed a tree, he’s hugged a tree, he’s fallen out of a tree, he’s listened to the breeze blow through the branches. He really knows a tree, and he knows that a tree isn’t a lollipop! So he takes purple and yellow and orange and green and magenta crayons and he draws this beautiful freaky thing and hands it in. She takes one look and shrieks. “Brain damaged!”

The Concept: Education and Industrialized Conformity

I started out summing up the introduction to Buscaglia and his “Love Class”. I asked the woman on the right to read:

“Education should be the process of helping everyone to discover his uniqueness, to teach him how to develop that uniqueness, and then to show him how to share it because that’s the only reason for having anything.”

This was to introduce the concept and was a precursor to the story. I noticed that people seemed to get bored so instead of adding more concepts I decided to ask each person to share if they had or hadn’t ever experienced the same type of situation as the Child experienced in the story with the Art Teacher.
I received some well thought out answers from each person. Even when I initially thought a few women didn’t get the point of the story I found if I waited everyone did get it and the group went smoothly. I tried to draw out each person’s point because not each answer was the same consideration. Some people brought out the actual help that they felt the Art Teacher was providing. Some went to the abstract and talked about the stifling affect that happened in their experience that either smothered their interest in the subject or caused them to seek out someone more empathetic. All in all even though the group had been interrupted a few times and was as short as a half an hour the content and interest was satisfying.
As part of the group sometimes we might think about the concepts and realize that we have more to say about our own experiences and thoughts. If you care to, and even if you’re not part of the physical group leave an answer to the following:

Have you ever encountered a similar teacher in school as a child (or young adult, adult, whatever)? What happened and how do you feel it relates to the concept of Education and Industrialized Conformity. Keep in mind the two quotes when answering…


Welcome, A Woman’s Group Where It Is Encouraged To Ask Questions and Bring Answers…

Tomorrow I plan to hold the first women’s group at the Wakefield OASIS. Already I have selected a topic and have printed out some sheets on an issue that is not necessarily gender specific yet very relevant to any woman in society.


This topic comes from a website I have streaming on my facebook page called Brain Pickings. The url is http://www.brainpickings.org/2014/05/19/leo-buscaglia-love-labels/ and the title is “Leo Buscaglia on Education, Industrialized Conformity, and How Stereotypes and Labels Limit Love” by 

Since I’ve not done a group before I will leave this post rather bare to see how it goes. I encourage anyone who has attended the group to post any comments they may have here about the topic. Anything off topic and not relevant to the group will not be entertained.